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Sisterhoof - Stop discrimation by hinoraito Sisterhoof - Stop discrimation by hinoraito
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A fellow brony tackled this question and expressed my point of view better than I could ever do it. Check it out! It's worth it!

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::EDIT 1::
What i have learn so far from this conversation
- most individual who commented on this are well articulated and spoke of their personal experience in the fandom in general. You guys are awesome.
- This is a discussion and in no way shape or form should it imply that i am not concerned about worldly issues concerning women. This conversation will be for another time.
- seems somes fans of previous gens do the same thing about the latest gen.
- this kind of conversation happens in all fandom
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This message is mostly for the fans of MLP. I would like to point out that this is only my opinion and I wanted to share it because I thought maybe starting a discussion would help me see more clearly on this matter.

Definition of discrimination: is the prejudicial or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on his or her membership - or perceived membership - in a certain group or category. It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making

This is my response to the whole "I love bronies" tshirt that came out in Walmarts featuring ponies from G1. [link] From what I could see, there are people that were offended that they portrayed G1 instead of G4. Some have said it was a misinterpretation of bronies. May I point out that it seems that this shirt was for girls? What? WHy would the guys care what's on my shirt?

Most of you will agree that the past generations of MLP have been targeted mainly at woman. And that most of the previous fanbase was female.
Now.... when G4 came around, it was with great joy that the fandom welcomed a large male audience. We rejoinced, had beer and all was well. But then shit happened. Some men claimed it as their own and totally kicked the female base out of the way, saying how amazingly MANLY G4 was and how the previous generations were "girly" (I like how "girly" has suddenly a negative tone to it)

What's with all this negativity towards previous Gens? And what's with putting the female fans on the side? Seriously, I am a person too and I would really much appreciate if people would stop imposing their views on me and other women like me.

That said, I would like to hear your opinion of this matter. I would also like to hear from the women that are fans of this show. What do you feel is your place in this fandom? What did you think of that shirt with Gen 1 ponies?

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NieEngel Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015
I would totally watch all the generations.
Bronies who think just G4 was and will be loved are dump.
Kalia24 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
As for the change between "old" and "new" ponies - at least in this case they didn't make some grotesque creatures of them (for comparison see what happened to Lola from Loony Tunes).
JaniceTheFurry Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I love this, so much.
I hate it when people just go around

And they just make fanart of breezies and tirek. 
They have no idea that those were from the first and third generation, so they can sit down.
I hate bronies. :/
I love all generations mainly because I grew up with them.

Bronies are selfish.
TotallyDeviantLisa Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Love this! :)
Paradox-pony Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
i love this vwv im not a "fan" of gen 1... but i dont hate them. i just dont think they look as "adorable" i dont hate on the different gens...but by far, gen...4? i think we are on. anyways. the current gen is my favourite vwv
Alptraum-Gheist Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
AWW so cute, those two!
GypsyMidnight Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
I don't identify with the 'Brony' because as I understand it it came about when Friendship is Magic arrived. I think it's cool that there is a boy fanbase, but girls still love My Little Pony so saying its just for boys is a but silly.

I kinda wish there was a term from people like me, I started to love Ponies when I was a kid in the 80's, my first pony was a Peachy who came with the Pretty Palour (I still have it although its in heavy played with condition) I have collected all the ponies, each generation right up till the present day and well over 200 ponies.

As for the TV shows, I only ever saw The My Little Pony Movie with the smooze in it, then a couple of episodes of the old ponies, The Magic Coins and one about Paradise Estate. So when Friendship is Magic started I was thrilled, nevermind I am in my 30's My Little Ponies were on TV and nothing would stop me watching.

So what am I? I am not a Brony or a Pegisister (?? not even sure what that is) but someone who has simply loved My Little Ponies right from the start
felicityfalls Featured By Owner May 11, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I here by coin the term: Unisibling!!! or Unibaby!

I dunno... sibling makes more sense because of Bro - Sister - Sibling. Oh or Unicousin! Booyah! I'm on FIRE! LOL, whichever works for you. :XD:

I feel it would complete the trio of:

Earth Pony - Brony

Pegasus - Pegisister

Unicorn - Unicousin
jonaslion52 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
How did caiden cowger get me here?
RaizerNinja Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013
G1 ponies are the reason I gave G4 a chance. Watching it as a 2 year old little boy with my 5 year old sister, Spike was my fave because he was a dragon and one of the few guys on the show. When  I heard they brought back Spike for G4 I decided to give it a chance. I don't agree with bashing the previous generations of the franchise, because if they never happened then we wouldn't have friendship is magic. I'm also one of the many who believe that girls can be bronies too. Or at least Pegasisters.
DeviantART789789 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013
In fact, the creator of MLP in the first place originally intended G1 to be targeted to children of both genders. 

Remember Tirek? He was possibly the most badass (and the most violent as you can get in an 80s kid show) villain in MLP history. Cracked even listed him on a list of great villains destroyed by weak opponents. I heard he basically threatened to outright kill G1 Spike.
fuzz3Knavel Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Whatever happened to respect your elders? 

This is respectful. :)
InvaderIka Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Student General Artist
I actually have the walmart shirt and wear it proudly! c:
angelthefurbat1 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I really loved the older versions as a kid. <3
CareerFromDistrict4 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Amazing and really accurate :)
PickLockMaster Featured By Owner May 27, 2013   General Artist
I remember that Wall Mart shirt, I bought it for my dad. xD
He wears it, even if he isn't a Brony.
JohrnyReport Featured By Owner May 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
you dawg, i heard you like apples :iconxzibitplz:
Ruby-Hooves Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013
I'm seeing double.
JunkUpShowUp Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Student General Artist
Well executed piece, really like the message and both ponies look fab. I too have been surprised by the overwhelming amount of misogyny in the current MLP fandom. This isn't the first time men have liked MLP, but like you wrote, they've never completely appropriated the franchise for themselves before while shaming older MLP for its femininity. There are way too many insecure and egotistical men who have just gotten into MLP that treat life-long women fans like they're inferior.

I think the shirt was fine and men have absolutely no place complaining about a shirt for a little girl. If their daughter or wife wants one, it's not appropriate for a guy to throw a hissy fit over which generation of pony is used for a shirt not even for them. It's like men who complain about heels and skirts length; women aren't there to be mannequins to show off clothes that men like, we have our own interests and should be able to wear what we choose. If a woman wants a G1 pony shirt, it is nobody's business but their own.

What's next, men takeover Strawberry Shortcake and Jen & the Holograms as their own too? If men keep appropriating content as "theirs" and shaming anything "girly," what the hell are femme women and girls supposed to watch?
eddiecroft Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I am not a big fan of G1, but I still love it. :) Great picture.
EdanaRose Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Student General Artist
I actually think that the G1 pony over there looks way cuter than the G4..
Shardxofxaxmemory Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013
I personaly think G4 suck ass, G1-2 is where its at.
Dylanius9000 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013  Student Interface Designer
Look up. you are about to be hit by an Orbital Friendship Cannon. believe me, it sucks to be a target of that.
midnightrosenyau Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I've always loved MLP, ever since I saw the 80's cartoon till now. But I agree how some of the fan base try to kick aside MLP's past and their old fan base. It's great guys like it too but it's kind of saddening that it's negative to be girly? I loved every generation of MLP. I also loved those shirts at Walmart they were cute. My place in the fandom is forgotten. :'\
MJNSEIFER Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
As a fan of every single generation of My Little Pony, I approve of this. The more I look at it, FIM is basically just all the best elements of past gens in one go, with it's own awesome flaire, also FIM is clearly made to respect the old gens. That said there are things that each gen does better than the other, so long story short the're all awesome. /)
PKMNdetective Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
good message and love the artwork because it look like ashleigh ball bro-hoofing sandy duncan (funny enough both did applejack and the main pegisi from their respected gen)

to me the mane six seem to have other trait from the g1 ponies and not just the one's they based off

twilight sparkle seem to be mixture of wind whistler, galaxy and paradise and her magic level is closest to majesty or mimic

rainbow dash seem to a pegasus version of moonstone with whizzer's speed

applejack seem to tend her apple farm like posey tends her large garden has truly's accent

rarity also has trait from both truly and heart throb

pinkie pie seem to borrow alot from the mother lickity split (in the uk toy bio, it states that she enjoys planning suprise birthday partys for her friends and more importanly when somepony is feeling sad, she cheer them up with one of her ice cream concocktions)

and finaly fluttershy seem to be mixture of sweetstuff and shady (she timid and not very brave and for an earth pony she can't jump very well)
FMAiscool Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
i absolutely agree. that's the main reason i get sick of seeing or hearing about MLP on the internet. the discrimination and the "all-boys club, no girls allowed" thing. my biggest concern is the "bronies" label. it's of course based on the word "brother" and already shows discrimination. but then again, i wasn't a big fan of MLP to begin with. i'd rather go with fosters home for imaginary friends if i were to choose.
RainbowDash3221XD Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Not gonna lie - I grew up on G3 and liked it. I feel pressured to dislike it now. G1 is good enough, considering the time and G2 is kinda meh.

I agree that I go back and see that G3 had bad writing.
But it was my childhood.
boxxs Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like the old ponies more :3
Heystopstaring Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
I feel like people don't give Gen 1 & 2 enough credit. Gen 3 is complete and utter dung (Minty being the sole exception), but the older ones do have their good points about them.
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goomzz Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012
I don't care people people liked the old generations and or the new generations why should it be my problem what other people like? No, I'm not a fan of the old MLP, I frankly found it kinda bland and I was not too big on the characters, so despite being a girl I didn't come into this fan base till the brony movement. So yes, I can see why people make fun of the old stuff, it was goofy! But they shouldn't make fun of fans of the old stuff because it's not their problem.

As far as being a girl I've never felt discriminated amongst bronies, a good portion of them seem just happy to have girls around at all! I've been in a lot of fan bases and the bronies seem to be the least discriminatory of me. Of course like anything you'll find sexist jerks among the ranks, but I haven't met any of them.

As far as the girly manly argument, no MLP isn't manly. It's still about girls and has girly stuff in it, it's more that it's girly done right, it's portraying girls how they are, different people with different likes, dislikes, and personalities. Just because men like it dose not make it manly, the show is inherently feminine, and that shouldn't be treated as a bad thing.
Chizeropa Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student General Artist
:clap: another amazing post for this fandom.

Ok so I'm a female pony fan, have been for years, and I personally love this shirt.If I saw this shirt in a store i would defineteltly buy it, because I love bronies who love g1. Also I think people using girly as an insult for this topic are being dumb, we are talking about colorful, happy, pretty ponies learning about friendship and magic here.
athousandknives Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Amen. There is so much hate in the MLP fandom - not just bronies hating on earlier gen fans but earlier gen fans hating on bronies. There's hate on both sides, and we need to stop using hate to fight against hate, because it doesn't work like that.

And I agree with you with men claiming MLP as their own, I feel like the entire female portion of the fanbase is so often ignored. I thought it was super cool seeing men questioning gender stereotypes, but then I see stuff on Facebook like "Real men watch My Little Pony" or treating the show like it was made for THEM rather than the initial market of little girls, and it's... incredibly frustrating. There's also problematic things when I see people of color cosplaying as pony characters being called horrible, hateful names, as well as fan-created content like "Princess Molestia", which treats rape - a horrible, damaging act of violence - like nothing but a joke. And don't get me started with the whole mess regarding Derpy/Ditzy Doo/Bubblecup/whatever you want to call her.
thank you! As a teenager, I was a kid in the Gen3 age, and loved it. It breaks my heart when bronies say, "I love and tolerate! But Gen3 is shit!" No, it just wasn't made for all ages. It was made for little girls to love, and it worked.
Katarakta4 Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good work :) bronies is a very strange fandom :) Only four generations of love and other discriminatory...'m glad there are people who do not support this behavior ...
hinoraito Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Katarakta4 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know I know
I repeat myself: D
Katarakta4 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm glad that the majority understands that the message of this picture :) bronies pay attention to the appearance of the ponies and other things,they don't understand that's not what this is all about :)
iluvsocks Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I was young when g3 came out, and I liked it. That's why I watched the new show when it came out. I was 10 or 11 at that time, and I was shocked at how dark it was, in a good way. I watched gen 2 and loved the 'slice of life'ish feel. The only problem I have against g3 is that it's a little too girly. The thing is, is was meant for little girls. If I watched it now, as a 13 year old girl, I wouldn't like it, but as a 6 year old it would be amazing.
The thing older male bronies don't understand is that it was meant for little girls. Sure the newer gen was for little girls too, but it had a little more adult feel. The brony fandom used to be a nice one, but it went downhill with r34.
If I went onto a forum and said "Hey, guess what? I love all the generations," I'm guessing most of the people would criticize. And then if I said, "I'm a girl. Yes, there are female fans." It's just...
Bronies...tone it down a notch and look around. Love and Toleration is the message, not hate others for opinions.
Rutana Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012  Student Writer
I'm a female pony fan as well.
As I was around 4-6 years old, I was a lot into the toys, G1 back then.
Someday I even came across two vhs of the G1 cartoon in a supermarket and my parents bought them for me. Of course, these included only 2, maybe 4 episodes, so the last one didn't only ended on a cliffhanger, it was hard to get into. Still, with my childish mind I really enjoyed them.
My first FanFiction that I wrote (age 6) was about ponies. (you can read it here, if you want to XD [link] ) Here in germany, next to "Mein kleines Pony" (the direct translation of my little pony) they were known under the name of "Regenbogen-Ponys" ("Rainbow Ponies")
Then, I basically grew out of ponies and didn't cared for them anymore. At some point I came across custom ponies in the net, the old gens who were more or less used as a canvas - not the OC/Show Acurate Custom type, and found them to be pretty cool, but that was it, I didn't put more thought into it.

In a gaming forum I use to be, they posted a video trailer to the new series. Basically a Skyrim Trailer Spoof containing footage of the Nightmare Moon episodes. I was surprised and asked myself, if they now made a dark, gritty pony cartoon - which I would've found awesome. So I checked the series out on YouTube.
At first, I was dissapointed, that it was just a two-parter - I seriously hoped for the whole first season to be about the battle against Nightmare Moon alone. But I continued to watch the show and more and more liked it. I guess it totally catched me around the 4th or 5th episode. I just liked the characters, the visual, the songs, and it made me cheerful and smile.
I like how much effort they put into it - that won me over.

Since I'm not so consumed into the Brony Community, I haven't faced sexism yet though. I thought Brony was a gender-free name, and I personally like to call me "Brony" myself - not matter if I'm a girl. But since I live in germany (and more or less missed the GalaCon), I wasn't on a Pony con yet. Many of the people I know closer are not into ponies themself, so, I feel a bit on the outer circle of the fandom ^^ (which is fine, I don't mind much)
I think it's sad though to think or talk bad about previous gens or female fans, just because you don't like it yourself. You don't have to. If the series taught you one thing, it should be tollerance - so Bronies who talk bad about women or older gen fans? They're no real Bronies for me - because they haven't got the message of the show at all.
travelingLady Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012   Traditional Artist
cute! my sister and me have still one video with G1 ponys ^^... I like G1, G2 and G4; so G3 are the only ones, where i think they looked weird!
Awela-Mizuko Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well personally I just prefer the newer gens. The characters are better developed and I prefer the character design. But I don't adamantly oppose it by any means, it's just my preference. And I agree that the fandom that centers around loving and tolerating others shouldn't have discrimination among them.
JanusTrooper Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I never liked the older gens, because of their character design. And we all think that G4 is better looking in general.
Yupasama Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
I don't know if G4 is "manly", I still think it's at its core for little girls (with woman role model : smart and serious, honest and strong, kind and caring, working a lot, joyful and gentle, being awesome) and it's a great show with good writing, good characters, integrity. But maybe because for me "girly" simply means "about girls".

Why all the fuss about G4 ?
The show is simply very well done and everyone loves a good show.

older generations, was not that good and really not good at all with G3/3.5.

I think G4 surprised mostly everyone because of the dullness of G3/G3.5 (it's just so devoid of characterization).

It's not really about if My Little Pony is girly.

Of course it's girly, but G4 is awesomely girly, very good. The characters have heart, they have a personality, their design is very efficient, the animation simple but solid, professional, the show is about something, it just works.

There are many manly kids shows, for example Transformers with robots and strong dude doing what strong dudes are doing to save the world from evil dudes. Some are simply bad, boring characters, badly animated.

At its surface "adventure time" could be summarized as an absurd manly show (a boy having epic adventure with his sword and his dog.. it seems to be just about boys). but then something magic happened in it : it's really subtle and smart, characters are more than they seem, the stories are surprising, the characters connect with each other, in truth it's not that absurd, it can be deeply emotional and it's just plain fun. and then everyone can enjoy the show.

It's not really about if it's girly or manly, it's about the quality of the stuff.

G4 is at a time where youtube, internet, allowed it to be see by everyone at any time.

I watched G4 because "suddenly", many artists on D.A. was creating stuff with theses damn poneys. For me, My Little Pony was just the "transformers for girls" from the 80s. Transformers was to sell robots to boys, My Little Pony to sell little horses to girls, nothing else. Sure , when I was a kid, I thought Transformers 80s (G1) was exciting with good characters, heroes I needed but nothing else.

But so many people spoke about theses new ponies. And it was on youtube (maybe it was the greatest idea Hasbro ever had : to let people put the show on youtube). So it was easy for me to see : no tv, no channel, no hour to wait, just youtube. So I watched.

I thought it was a brilliant show for kids. I understood Lauren Faust was frustrated by the lacks of role model for girls and how shows for girls was devoid of meaning. And it's why that G4 really mattered suddenly.

Because you know, it's not simply a fun show with colorful characters to amuse bronies. It's something else, something really important : it gives to children, and specifically little girls, some great characters to learn from, loves and wanting to emulate : young woman with goals, dreams, abilities and strength.

they are two episodes who are interesting :

the one where Pinkie Pie shows she is not simply a crazy animal party pony but someone reliable who can be responsible and caring for babies, and still being the joyful person she is. In that episode, the character has depth, strength and still be itself and it teaches a great lesson : you are more than people think.

And the very latest (S03E01, SPOILER ALERT),
where Twilight is showed with a very important goal in her life, something she wants a lot and how she can still do a meaningful sacrifice. The character is well written : she has goals and her own wishes, still she can go beyond that, and she is not loosing anything for that, she wins ! It's about her, her adversities, the choices she had to do and how she succeeds.(SPOILER ALERT)

And that, it's what you should gave to children : great meaningful characters, positive role model.
MLP has a great responsibility : to bring awesome female characters. It was that needed on TV.
Princesstekki Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I love this so much! I am not a fan of the older gens, but people need to accept and respect them! :heart:
stealthclaw96 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Being a fan of all the previous generations, I love that shirt. Now don't get me wrong, I like G4. FiM is a really good cartoon, and I can see why fans like it so much. However, the way quite a few G4 fans treat previous generations just makes me feel sad. Now you can't view a MLP video from a previous generation without seeing comments raging at how they're "inferior" to FiM. G3 has been hit the worst by it, and since that's the Generation which introduced me to MLP and made me fall in love with the franchise when I was younger (not to mention G1 and MLP Tales, both of which I absolutely adored), I just can't help but feel a little bit of resentment towards G4 and its fans. Bronies say they "love and tolerate" why don't a lot of them practice what they preach? The same applies to fans of previous generations who rage at G4. My Little Pony is My Little Pony, no matter what generation it is! :)
Jowesline Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2012  Student General Artist
So cute!
Juria316 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2012
I think that, when the word Brony was first introduced, it was ment specifically for the G4 crowd, but now I think it should apply to everyone, no matter what generation they like! :D In fact, I think we could go one step further and call older fans OG Bronies! :iconpinkiepieplz:
Helsaabi Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2012
I didn't hate to G1 ^^ where i was child to watch my little pony movie is really good. heh
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